VtES Rules: “Shadow Court Satyr” Q&A

I read some rule questions about the Shadow Court Satyr (SCS) and checked the VtES Usenet Newsgroup for some answers and finally came up with the short “Questions and Answers” summary for the card. Most of the information is taken from the VtES Usenet Newsgroup “rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad“, some from VEKN.net.

Question: Can I play any combat card on Shadow Court Satyr.
Answer: Yes, any combat card. But the question is if SCS can actually use them in combat, e.g. he still needs to meets the requirements of that combat card and he must be able to pay its cost.

Question: Can I use Taste of Vitae on Shadow Court Satyr?
Answer: Yes, in combat SCS can use Taste of Vitae, because the clause “as a vampire” also applies here, too, even though Taste of Vitae doesn’t require a discipline (covered by the “if any” sub-clause at the end of the card text).

Question: Can I use Amaranth with Shadow Court Satyr?
Answer: No, while technically you can play the card (see Taste of Vitae above), SCS cannot use the card to diablerize a vampire. Allies can’t diablerize in general, and the card doesn’t allow him to bypass this restriction.

Question: Can Shadow Court Satyr use a combat card that requires more than discipline (e.g. Eye of Unforgiving Heaven).
Answer: No, he can’t SCS card text says he can use a card that requires one (“a”) discipline.

Question: Can Shadow Court Satyr use cards with outferiors (e.g. Absorb the Mind), that is combat with two effects requiring two different inferior disciplines.
Answer: Yes, the SCS can choose to use a different inferior version each time it is used.

Question: Can Shadow Court Satyr use a combat card that requires an Anarch, e.g. Diversion.
Answer: No, he can’t. While SCS can use a card that requires one discipline, but he doesn’t fulfill the requirement of an Anarch. The same applies to other combat cards requiring a clan (e.g. Leathery Hide) or a sect (Neebi).

Question: Can Shadow Court Satyr use Disarm in combat?
Answer: Yes, he can providing he has inflicted more damage than the opposing vampire (at close range). But the card is then moved to the opposing vampire, and hence the SCS cannot play/use that card again.

Question: When the card the Shadow Court Satyr is a Weighted Walking Stick, does it renew every time it is has been used up?
Answer: No. It is burned when it is “used up” as per card text of the Weighted Walking Stick.

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7 comments on “VtES Rules: “Shadow Court Satyr” Q&A”

See there is an unexpected moment. Nothing about the Shadow Court Satyr says that the card put onto the Satyr must have a discipline or that the Satyr must use a discipline when it uses a card. This again seems to be a prime example of the “Unwritten Golden Rule” of VTES: “Whatever LSJ says beats everything else, even if it isn’t on the card.”

“If that card requires a vampire (helper text), he may use it as a vampire with the basic level of the Discipline (IF ANY).” I would have thought that the “if any” would allow the Satyr to use a card that requires no disciplines.

Axelbeef on November 28, 2012 at 10:49 am said:

Satyr’s can use cards that doesn’t require disciplines. But if the card has requirements they need to be met, for disciplines there’s text that allows the Satyr to “fake it” but for other requirements (being a vampire/anarch/Gangrel Antitribu/etc) there’s no text.
This again seems to be a prime example of the “I didn’t read the card text and ruling”.

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- Juggernaut1981 on November 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm said:
  
  Taste of Vitae??
  Last time I checked it is a disciplineless combat card which can be played by a vampire but cannot be played by a Shadow Court Satyr (as written in Extrala’s post)

The Ruling about Taste of Vitae was given before SCS got revamp’d (haha) in 3rd Edition.
The latest ruling about SCS + ToV is here : https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/DMsE6V84GWI/af5Oggz9XlQJ and it allows Shadow Court Satyr to play Taste of Vitae.

After confirmation by PB, Question 2 is incorrect.
Please see this link for confirmation of the new answer.
http://www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/6-rules-questions/41966-pb-clarification-shadow-court-satyr

Thanks for all the input. I have corrected the question #2 and added another one regarding Amaranth. I hope i have it right this time.

Another reason why I don’t like Google Groups/Search for the Usenet Newsgroup. It’s so damn hard to get these rulings/clarifications/questions in good order.